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i want to go to joe about the other joe last night. joe was active, exciting, overexcited perhaps, laughed a lot, perhaps laughed to ridicule and maybe the ridicule was appropriate. putting it all together, do you agree with me he won? >> oh, yeah, i think he won. i think he gave the other side some talking points with all of his smirking and laughing and so on, although i imagine if you're in the reality-based world, it's kind of tough to just sit there and pout while the guy is, you know -- >> well said. >> -- quoting whoppers. >> what are you supposed to do in this crazy split screen world? what are you supposed to do with your face when the guy three feet from you is saying thins you think are dead wrong? are you supposed to look down like the president did? and he was dumped o on for that. or do you look up with a jolly face? >> or seriously take notes and shake your head in a disparaging way, but it should be smaller whatever it is than what joe was doing. joe was doing last night. although as he would say, god bless him, i love
i want to go to joe about the other joe last night. joe was active, exciting, overexcited perhaps, laughed a lot, perhaps laughed to ridicule and maybe the ridicule was appropriate. putting it all together, do you agree with me he won? >> oh, yeah, i think he won. i think he gave the other side some talking points with all of his smirking and laughing and so on, although i imagine if you're in the reality-based world, it's kind of tough to just sit there and pout while the guy is, you...
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i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was effective to the extent that it's an irresistible sound bite. it's an irresistible exchange. but joe biden got the last word there, sort of. he said, well, when i speak, i'm telling the truth. you know, when i misspeak, i'm saying what i really believe. what he needed to say further was that's what mitt romney really believes. >> he did. he did say that. >> yeah, he did say it. >> when i say it, i mean it, and this guy does too. that's the dangerous stuff. anyway, thank you, howard. we'll see you later tonight. >> play the whole soun
i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was...
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there's a classic joe being joe. and if you didn't like him and joe shtick wears on you, then you hated some of the moments that he had last night. but what are we talking about? this was joe biden's debate. paul ryan was at it, but this was biden's debate. he sort of controlled the debate for better or for worse at times for him. that was important. and joe, i'm with you on this. that's a big deal to the obama campaign. they couldn't go down 0-2, to be cliche about this in baseball, they couldn't afford to lose game two of this four-game series of debates. and they didn't lose game two. we can argue, was it a full win for biden? did he give away some points in this because of style because he was a little too amped up on red bull for the first 45 minutes of this thing? maybe. but they certainly -- you can't say he lost the debate. it's all about next tuesday anyway. and biden's job was to make sure he didn't -- i mean, put it this way. had ryan clobbered biden a la what romney did to obama, boy, it would be -- imagi
there's a classic joe being joe. and if you didn't like him and joe shtick wears on you, then you hated some of the moments that he had last night. but what are we talking about? this was joe biden's debate. paul ryan was at it, but this was biden's debate. he sort of controlled the debate for better or for worse at times for him. that was important. and joe, i'm with you on this. that's a big deal to the obama campaign. they couldn't go down 0-2, to be cliche about this in baseball, they...
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i would agree with tamron of course joe has to be joe. i would quibble with the extent he's had these blunders. some of these things i wouldn't count as the same kind of gaffes or blunders as we've seen from political candidates. his one blunter of being sometimes a little too enfouss a tick will play well because the stage has been set here for this campaign to make a really, you know, sort of powerful haymaker. so biden is the best person to be at-bat right now. >> tamron, i want to show you some images of paul ryan. i hope you will be able to see these. these are from a "time" magazine photo shoot in december of last year that were just published today and they have taken on a life of their own. this photo started floating around facebook and twitter after people commented how the photos made him look like a cast member of the 1990s show "saved by the bell" and our own team drew the line between ryan and the character goober from "the andy griffith show." i guess image management will be paramount for paul ryan because he's not as well
i would agree with tamron of course joe has to be joe. i would quibble with the extent he's had these blunders. some of these things i wouldn't count as the same kind of gaffes or blunders as we've seen from political candidates. his one blunter of being sometimes a little too enfouss a tick will play well because the stage has been set here for this campaign to make a really, you know, sort of powerful haymaker. so biden is the best person to be at-bat right now. >> tamron, i want to...
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be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> meanwhile, president obama is critiquing his own debate performance, at length, for the first time. here he is with tom joyner. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think, it's fair to say, i was just too plait. because, you know, it's hard to sometimes just keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. but, you know, the good news is, is that's just the first one. >> the president reiterated that message with diane sawyer. >> governor romney had a good night, i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> well, it's not the first time i've had a bad night, but i think what's important is that the fundamentals of what this race is about haven't changed. you know, governor romney went to a lot of trouble to try to hide what his positions are, because he knows that those ideas have been rejected. >> is it possible you handed him the election that night? >> no. >> you're
be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> meanwhile, president obama is critiquing his own debate performance, at length, for the first time. here he is with tom joyner. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think, it's fair to say, i was just too plait. because, you know, it's hard to sometimes just keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. but, you know, the good news is, is that's...
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you know, barack obama was asked what should joe biden do, he said, well, joe just needs to be joe. well, joe was definitely joe. >> that's what his son said on the show last night. >> he did what barack obama said he should do. i think that broadly you're exactly right, chris, which is the democratic base wanted this. they like that joe biden. they don't care that, oh, well, he was disparaging. they don't care about any of that stuff related to paul ryan. they like the laughing and smiling. the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his, though he might have been over the top. . it was possible for a viewer to conc
you know, barack obama was asked what should joe biden do, he said, well, joe just needs to be joe. well, joe was definitely joe. >> that's what his son said on the show last night. >> he did what barack obama said he should do. i think that broadly you're exactly right, chris, which is the democratic base wanted this. they like that joe biden. they don't care that, oh, well, he was disparaging. they don't care about any of that stuff related to paul ryan. they like the laughing and...
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i'm like joe in that respect. what you just heard was the biggest line of bull we heard from the republicans behind me. >> you obviously never worked on the hill, my friend. >> i worked on the hill for five years. >> a good elected official knows what their staff is up to. somebody who wants to be vice president of the united states, if his best explanation is, i guess my staff did it or better yet if he said, we always try to get money for our state except when i go out and argue against the money for my state. he was caught. he was speaking for the entire republican party at that moment. because these are guys in the republican party who want what they want from the government and then they tell you the government's evil when it comes to everybody else. >> listen -- >> that's why. let me finish. that's why romney and ryan support preserving tax cuts for all the capital gains and carried interest. everything else, my friend, your mortgage interest tax deduction and everything else is on table. >> okay. if that wa
i'm like joe in that respect. what you just heard was the biggest line of bull we heard from the republicans behind me. >> you obviously never worked on the hill, my friend. >> i worked on the hill for five years. >> a good elected official knows what their staff is up to. somebody who wants to be vice president of the united states, if his best explanation is, i guess my staff did it or better yet if he said, we always try to get money for our state except when i go out and...
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paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything about the race. i think that they both laid down the markers and, again, for their own parties, mostly. the vice president energizing democrats and for paul ryan showing people he was on that stage and not overrun. the vice president clearly dominated the proceedings. >> we have seen paul ryan a lot for those of us who cover politics. we have seen him on press conferences and capitol hill, never in the big lights. how did he do from start to finish? >> you know, again, we were reading the leaves a little bit. i thought he started out nervous. he reacted
paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything...
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joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement, ideological elements. is he going to go up on the stage tonight and renounce it all? that is the strategic chose made by the romney campaign. you're going to go up there and everything you've done since the first day you were a junior staffer on the hill to now, we want you to throw it out the window and do it in front of everyone. is he going to take his life's work and rip it up on national television? >> are they going to hold ryan to what he has done in politics? this is going to be such a good night. all right. as everyone concedes that president
joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement,...
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joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected should those that believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu
joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me...
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and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you know, you've got the empire, the great team, plus -- against the upstarts. this one's going to go a while. >> can't go more than five games. >> well, that's a while. if you're a yankees fan. i get nothing from richard haass, so willie. richard, you suck. >> no. >> willie, i'm excited about this stuff. >> go to the ichiro play. >> this is just a great david versus goliath contest. >> i'd say this is a yankee fan, it's hard not to love the orioles and their story. what they've done this year. these are usually the kinds of teams that go away after the all
and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you...
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joe? >> well, of course i mean vice president biden is very, very good on his feet, very quick on his feet. i think it was a very strong performance on his part. i think paul ryan did a great job also. but vice president biden is very strong. >> karen, let's talk about all that smiling and interrupting. your unvarnished take. do you wish the vice president had backed off even a little? because then we wouldn't even be talking about his style. >> the only reason we're talking about his style is because the republicans can't seem to take a punch. last week when our guy didn't do so well we took hit. we admitted it and we moved on. this week when it was a commanding performance for romney, all of a sudden joe biden is being rude. frankly, there were so many moments where biden could have further corrected paul on a marathon runner ryan, come on, this guy was so fast and loose with the facts. marine guards, as an example. they are there to guard information. it has nothing to do with the secur
joe? >> well, of course i mean vice president biden is very, very good on his feet, very quick on his feet. i think it was a very strong performance on his part. i think paul ryan did a great job also. but vice president biden is very strong. >> karen, let's talk about all that smiling and interrupting. your unvarnished take. do you wish the vice president had backed off even a little? because then we wouldn't even be talking about his style. >> the only reason we're talking...
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joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s
joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human...
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first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman wryan to specifics. congressman ryan will have to reconcile his own budget plan and the rapidly evolving romney/ryan budget and tax plan. a lot of open questions there. i expect vice president biden's going to come out ready to hold his feet to the fire on specifics. and congressman ryan has other challenges, you know? he's not well-known on the national stage, so this will be a new introduction for him. and he has to pass the commander in chief threshold so there will be foreign policy questions tonight. he'll have to hold his own there. he also has to energize conservatives but also appeal to
first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman...
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the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a senior official telling reporters governor romney is trying to hide a variety of his positions and we're going to make sure the american people understand what he would actually do if he's president, martin. >> good luck with that. nbc's mike viqueira. thank you, as always. stay with us. the week's "top lines" are coming up. go! here it comes! right in the numbers. boom! get it! spin! oh nice hands! thank you, as always. my favor! oh! [ male announcer ] share what you love, with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're
the president is not joe biden. you know, he's not going to be that demonstrative but certainly we can expect him to be more aggressive. he leaves tomorrow morning for another debate camp, training camp, if you will, three days in another swing state. he's not going to be far away, in williamsburg, virginia, and he'll go directly from there to the debate next tuesday night. what white house officials will only say about how any adjustments that the president is making last night on the plane, a...
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whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table for the presidential one. >> what i found interesting about this, it was substantive. i think if you really listened to what they said, and you didn't have to go back to the transcript, though i would agree there were parts that were pretty complicated. could you follow if this was your business, if you're a regular american, it might have been tougher, but you saw very clear distinctions between the policies of these two candidates and the men they were representing. yet, there is a lot of talk about the gesticulating. >> hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business because of th
whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table...
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only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w
only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across...
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we'll knock it around with our "morning joe" crew. when we come back, we'll huddle around the water cooler to watch john stewart take on the media obsession with polls, like the one i just told you we'll be obsessing over at the top of the hour. "way too early" coming right back. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...allstate safe driving bonus check? what is that? so weird, right? my agent, tom, said... [ voice of dennis ] ...only allstate sends you a bonus check for every six months you're accident-free... ...but i'm a woman. maybe it's a misprint. does it look like a misprint? ok. what i was trying... [ voice of dennis ] silence. ♪ ask an allstate agent about the safe driving bonus che
we'll knock it around with our "morning joe" crew. when we come back, we'll huddle around the water cooler to watch john stewart take on the media obsession with polls, like the one i just told you we'll be obsessing over at the top of the hour. "way too early" coming right back. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in...
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welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have former mccain senior campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst steve schmidt. up bright and early this morning. looking good. >> you look beautiful. >> we also have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, i still like financier better. >> i'm going to say financier. >> steve ratner. >> wait a minute. am i not beautiful? >> you're gorgeous. >> like a rainbow, as cyndi lauper would say. >> what did we talk about yesterday? and from the site of tonight's vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky, msnbc and "time" magazine senior editor mark halperin. >> godspeed. so mika, we've got 26 days left. until the election. is that a word? i saw it on the front of "sports illustrated." we have a passel of polls that are pounding us this morning. and this race is a toss-up. >> it is. >> in all the swing states. it's a toss-up in all the swing states. and we've got a debate coming up. and my gosh, there's so much political news. it only makes
welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have former mccain senior campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst steve schmidt. up bright and early this morning. looking good. >> you look beautiful. >> we also have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, i still like financier better. >> i'm going to say financier. >> steve ratner. >> wait a minute. am i not beautiful? >> you're gorgeous. >> like a rainbow,...
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got it. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm from janesville, wisconsin. do you know what the unemployment rate is in scranton today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> it is down to 7.8% nationwide. one of many insta fact checking moments courtesy of vice president joe biden in last night's debate. joining us now is frank rich. new york magazine's editor at large. his next story is out next week. it's called the rate we'll triumph in the end. thank you for being here on post debate friday. >> delighted to be here with you. >> i had such a good time watching that debate. it moved so fast and i hope the interrupting was not pointless. i thought the interrupting was sort of an accountability thing. what did you think? >> it was an accountable thing. it was conversational. it wasn't stagey. it didn't seem like a stunt put together, although probably it was. al
got it. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm from janesville, wisconsin. do you know what the unemployment rate is in scranton today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> it is down to 7.8% nationwide. one of many insta fact checking moments courtesy of vice president joe biden in last...
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you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great opportunity for the vice president tonight is the more he highlights the ryan budget and the devastating cuts he makes to programs that benefit hard working, middle class americans, that's going to help democratic candidates across the country because every republican incumbent voted for that budget. >> susan, it's interesting. i was asking dan senor about it. you know the ryan budget is going to come up and there are differences between the romney budget and the ryan budget. not major ones, but enough that there are some dis
you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great...
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>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to know what the facts are. facts have anything to do with it, biden was completely in charge of it because paul ryan has been running away from this budget, the republican party has, romney has, and he really believes in what he is saying is the only thing he's done in congress. he truly believes in the numbers and cannot get his own party to explain how is this thing going to balance out? joe made it abundantly clear, if you're going to cut taxes and raise money to do it, what are you cutting? he didn't do that. on the question of vouchers in te
>> first of all, joe is joe. i think he was in complete command, overwhelming in terms of experience. yes, he smiled a little more often and that's what happens when you really believe that it's noncompetitive and it shouldn't happen. and paul ryan put in a better performance than most people, including me ever, ever expected. >> do you think biden went too far though? >> no, of course not. i think after anyone analyzes this, and i'm concerned about the public's wanting to...
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i say it's just joe being joe. ryan took it in stride and tried to hold his own. look at all that water the congressman was drinking. does he have a strenuous p90x workout before the debate? you had a different experience than the viewers because optics and body language are crucial in debates. some say that is the whole ball game. in the guest spot we have bill mcgowan, one of the top media trainers in the country, ceo of the clarity media group. good to see you sitting up straight. >> lead by example. >> you better be perfect. >> i better be. the pressure's on. >> one of the things that jumped out at me was the moments where joe biden stared directly into the camera and it seemed very intense, very serious and at least one of moments, a couple of the moments he was talking directly to seniors which, of course, he is one. it was very much like this is serious, this is real, i'm leveling with you, i'm one of you, listen to me. what did you think about that? >> i think it was effective, i thought it represented some of his better moments. interestingly ryan did not
i say it's just joe being joe. ryan took it in stride and tried to hold his own. look at all that water the congressman was drinking. does he have a strenuous p90x workout before the debate? you had a different experience than the viewers because optics and body language are crucial in debates. some say that is the whole ball game. in the guest spot we have bill mcgowan, one of the top media trainers in the country, ceo of the clarity media group. good to see you sitting up straight. >>...
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you know, barack obama was asked what should joe biden do, he said, well, joe just needs to be joe. well, joe was definitely joe. >> that's what his son said on the show last night. >> he did what barack obama said he should do. i think that broadly you're exactly right, chris, which is the democratic base wanted this. they like that joe biden. they don't care that, oh, well, he was disparaging. they don't care about any of that stuff related to paul ryan. they like the laughing and smiling. they think what paul ryan is saying is fundamentally wrong and ludicrous. the republican base doesn't like joe biden going in. they're not going to like joe biden going out. it doesn't change the race in any way, shape, or form. i don't want to sound too cynical, my guess is most people who remain undecided at this point probably were watching some combination of orioles/yankees, nfl, something else. >> we'll see. here is what john dickerson wrote in slate today about the vice president performance. biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was
you know, barack obama was asked what should joe biden do, he said, well, joe just needs to be joe. well, joe was definitely joe. >> that's what his son said on the show last night. >> he did what barack obama said he should do. i think that broadly you're exactly right, chris, which is the democratic base wanted this. they like that joe biden. they don't care that, oh, well, he was disparaging. they don't care about any of that stuff related to paul ryan. they like the laughing and...
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one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that debate. it moved so bad. the interrupting was not pointless. i thought it was an accountability thing. >> it was accountability and it was conversational. it wasn't stagy. it doesn't seem like a stunt put together although it probably was. the thing that worked for biden he comes across as having a sense of humor. that made his interruption not seem bad. although according to republicans he's an alcoholic, pill popping, druggy. >> they said it was damaging for the president to be scowling and damaging for the president to look worried. >> what are they supposed to look constipated al
one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that...
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watch out, uncle joe. actually, "time" magazine released these photos today showing congressman ryan pumping iron last december, not exactly the images he wants out the night before he needs to prove that he's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. ryan's workout routine probably won't come up tonight but his macho vision for the country will and it should. ryan and romney are pushing a radical remaking of the social contract that americans have relied on for many decades. it's a investigation that includes a budget where 62% of the cuts come from the poor. cuts to medicaid, cuts to food stamps, pell grants, all while cuts to the defense department and oil industry continue as usual. ryan will have to defend that record tonight and he'll have to defend comments like these. >> before too long we could become a society that we were never, ever intended to be. we could become a society where the majority of americans are makers, not takers. they believe the american idea. only 30% want the welfare
watch out, uncle joe. actually, "time" magazine released these photos today showing congressman ryan pumping iron last december, not exactly the images he wants out the night before he needs to prove that he's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. ryan's workout routine probably won't come up tonight but his macho vision for the country will and it should. ryan and romney are pushing a radical remaking of the social contract that americans have relied on for many decades....
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hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus brought on stage, a lot of expectations about justice how agretsive vice president joe biden will be. has president obama spoken to the veep and offered any sage words of advice? >> well, you heard it right there in the interview, i think the vice president's goal will be the same as the president's was last week to lay out the economic choice for the middle class in this election. but what he will do is try to correct the brazen attempt that the romney/ryan ticket to rewrite and hide their position. you saw "the new york times" reported the romney campaign saw on focus groups what voters liked about the debate they didn't hea
hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus...
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joe will have that enthusiasm. he'll convey to the american person what this administration has done pulling us out of the brink of financial collapse, advancing the ball on health care and doing so many good things. a foreign policy record to be proud of. i think joe will sing that song loud and clear. >> i couldn't help but think about what you describe as your expectations of vice president biden. the title of your book, basically no wuss, he can't give the slightly bit he's taking it easy on the young gun. i told my team it's like the young maverick versus the og, which i'll explain later what that means. you've got joe biden here. he's seen it and done it all. he has survived both personality tragedies and seen the ups and downs of the beltway when people used to perhaps have lunch with each other and talk over things to where we are now, it where it's a decisive tone that can be scary, governor rendell, to people voting. >> i think joe biden will do one other thing the president didn't do. if paul ryan strays
joe will have that enthusiasm. he'll convey to the american person what this administration has done pulling us out of the brink of financial collapse, advancing the ball on health care and doing so many good things. a foreign policy record to be proud of. i think joe will sing that song loud and clear. >> i couldn't help but think about what you describe as your expectations of vice president biden. the title of your book, basically no wuss, he can't give the slightly bit he's taking it...
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they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking you're as good at this as anybody is. does he have to win tonight a clear victory? does he have to have a clear victory in order for the obama people? >> no. i mean, look, the obama folks don't want to lose, okay? going down '02, let's put this in baseball terms, you don't want to go down 0-2, now a five game series. you want to go 1-1. worst case scenario, 1-0-1. that's why the goal tonight is not for biden to win the debate. of course he wants to win the debate but more of the goal for biden, bring up points, try to force ryan on defense even if he doesn't take the bait, as you hear from some republican advisers, they say
they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking...
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just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change a lot of minds. 92% of voters in ohio and florida made up their minds before the debate. 91% in virginia. overall, the dial did move slightly in romney's favor in florida and virginia, the race is virtually tied. but president obama leads ohio by six points in the nbc news "wall street journal" maris poll. joining me to talk about all of it, e.j.dion and dana milbank. gentlemen, good morning. remember the old commercial never let them see you sweat? dana, how much pressure is joe biden under tonight? >> he's been at this an awfully long time. and he's sort of an old pro at this. in fact i think both of them will be pretty good. i'm looking forward to this debate. i think more than last week. here we have two sharp guys who can really mix it up on policy. maybe give us some
just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> mitt romney's debate performance last week re-energized his campaign, but our brand new swing state polls show it didn't change a lot of minds. 92% of voters in ohio and florida made up their minds before the debate. 91% in virginia. overall, the dial did move slightly in romney's favor in florida and virginia, the race is virtually tied. but president obama leads ohio by six...
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who comes before president obama, joe biden. coming up, the young gun takes on scranton joe. wonk against populist. great expectations versus the great unknown. you get the idea. we are handicapping thursday's vice presidential debate ahead on "now." >> time for the entrepreneur of the week. former model and goldman sacks analyst created shop boutiques, that helps local boutiques that don't have their sites sell on-line. she knows content sells and she launched an on-line magazine as a source for what's in. watch your business sunday morning at 7:30 on msnbc. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so
who comes before president obama, joe biden. coming up, the young gun takes on scranton joe. wonk against populist. great expectations versus the great unknown. you get the idea. we are handicapping thursday's vice presidential debate ahead on "now." >> time for the entrepreneur of the week. former model and goldman sacks analyst created shop boutiques, that helps local boutiques that don't have their sites sell on-line. she knows content sells and she launched an on-line...
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paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> and he said he does no longer support you for that. >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. this idea -- >> who disavows it. >> this idea -- >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it malarky. >> thanks for the translation. >> the idea if you heard that little issoliloquy on 47% and y think he just make a mistake, i think you're -- i got a bridge to sell you. >> with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very
paul ryan versus joe biden in centerville, kentucky, last night. come on, this is add good as it ever gets. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from...
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i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used them to go to a good college, and now has been a long time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the quest
i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you...
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i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the talk shows and the comedy shows quite a bit, and there's always that opportunity with joe biden we're going to see some major gaffe again. >> all right, so, let's see if the kids in college for thursday night start a drinking game for how many times they hear big bird mentioned between the vice president ticket-holders. jonathan capehart, karen finney and john brebender, thank you for joi
i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend...
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take a listen. >> can i call you joe? >>> you can call me joe. >> can i call you joe? well, i'm going to talk with a guy i call john harwood who says for better or worse vp debates can leave that lasting tingle or taste in our mouths. next what the candidates need to do to make sure their memorable moment is a good one. plus, former ohio governor ted strickland will join me live in kentucky. first, there's a lot going on today and here are a few things we thought you should know. mayor cory booker admits to being a bit frustrated when watching the presidential debates. he said when romney talked about needing to hire a new accountant he wanted to scream out, quote, obama say, keep your accountant. they're allowing you to pay only 13% in taxes. the president needs to, quote, throw more punches when he faces mitt romney tuesday. congressman paul ryan shows off his guns, if you want to call them that? new issue of "time" magazine on stands this friday. you see there, the congressman in a foot tow shoot with his workout routine. ryan is a big fan of p 90 x workouts and he
take a listen. >> can i call you joe? >>> you can call me joe. >> can i call you joe? well, i'm going to talk with a guy i call john harwood who says for better or worse vp debates can leave that lasting tingle or taste in our mouths. next what the candidates need to do to make sure their memorable moment is a good one. plus, former ohio governor ted strickland will join me live in kentucky. first, there's a lot going on today and here are a few things we thought you should...
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joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not really having to answer too many tough questions makes him a little rusty despite his years of debate experience? >> well, it made the president rusty. i think it could do the same to joe biden. although he has been working very hard. at the convention he had put in 60 hours of debate prep. what he's been paid for for the last four years comes down to this moment tonight. biden, his mind is not an orderly one all the time, shall we say, but he's -- but he'll be tough. he's going to be defending an entire tradition and history of the democratic party because really
joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not...
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>> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve, thank you for your time tonight. >> sure. >>> catch steve on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. >>> still ahead, was there an intervention in the romney campaign? news tonight about a big fight inside team romney. >>> rudy giuliani, think about it, there is only three, a noun, a verbal and 9/11, nothing else. i've been negotiating since you were in congress. if you all had been around enough -- maybe i've been around too long, they forget all the wonderful things i've done -- but all siding aside -- walk around in my neighborhood or go up to scranton with me. these pe
>> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve, thank you for your time tonight....
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joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops to get perspectives. i've been to the funerals, i've talked to the widows, talked to the wives, the moms and the dads. that's something. that matters. >> yeah. the sitting vice president shouldn't have much problem landing a blow on a claim like that. though perhaps rather than boxing, it's more accurate to think of thursday night as tag team wrestling with each candidate making the power move that their partner missed. of course, ultimately a vice presidential candidate's relationship to his running mate is more like hulk hogan's b
joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops...
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but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to that first debate. you know, the so-called likability gap. the idea that mitt romney is out of touch with the average american. going back to this issue of his taxes not only has he not released his tax returns, as many presidential candidates have in the past, of course, but he's effectively paid a 14% rate on his taxes, and that is something that is a lower rate paid on investment income. let's have a listen to a little bit of that ad. >> you've paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than yo
but joe biden is joe biden and president obama is president obama. two different types of personalities. two different approaches, two different rhetorical styles. let's see if the base is as happy with president obama on wednesday morning as they were with joe biden yesterday morning. >> yeah. mike, can you tell us a little more about this new obama campaign tv ad? >> well, i think this is a case of going back to the formula that had helped build that lead in the polls prior to...
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joe, were you bored? i was bored. >> intro was better. >> intro was better. >> the start of the show was much better. that's a pretty good skit. >> he has more. should we let him go on? >> this is good. this might apply to you. you have a cat. >> yeah, i do. >> when did the show start? >> we're going right now. >> this is pretty good. >> did you know that you can actually give your pet the flu? you can give emma the flu. >> i never gave -- >> i could care less. you can move right past that. that is the stupidest thing i've heard. what is that, news you can use? >> this is news you can use. >> okay. the morn important stoe importa suleman, do you remember her? >> who's nadya suleman? >> don't even go there. >> the octo mom. >> oh, my god. >> you don't remember her? >> no. >> she's amazing. she was trying to support her poor -- she's got 14 kids. celebrity boxing. and porn. porn. you've got to support your kids. you've got to do porn. she's doing something that she's much better -- >> she's dating. >> she's
joe, were you bored? i was bored. >> intro was better. >> intro was better. >> the start of the show was much better. that's a pretty good skit. >> he has more. should we let him go on? >> this is good. this might apply to you. you have a cat. >> yeah, i do. >> when did the show start? >> we're going right now. >> this is pretty good. >> did you know that you can actually give your pet the flu? you can give emma the flu. >> i...
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joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do but we all spend some amount of time on television. the camera can be on you when you're not talking. joe biden has been in politics and he knows that. to quote spinal tap turned the amplifier up to 11 when like 8 would have probably done the laughing and the kind of open disdain for paul ryan and paul ryan would be talking and you could in the split screen he would mouth that's not true. the democratic base loved it. but i thought he was a little too hot. >> stopped the hemorrhaging, fired the base. don't know what impac
joe biden's performance. paul ryan was there. he made some points. you know, i mean he did the things that i think republicans wanted him to do, not back down, look like he was credible, could be the vice president of the united states. biden was this huge figure for good or bad depending on your perspective. i think he would have won the debate andrea on points, narrowly, had he just controlled a little bit more his off camera reaction. the two of you spend more time on television than i do...
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let joe be joe, i say. bring it on. talk about grandpa finnegan, the works. talk about scranton 30 times, it doesn't bother me. anyway, thank you, cynthia turk and eugene robinson. >>> when we return, let me finish whether president obama is better with a good debate performance or a good unemployment number, which he actually got. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios >>> let me finish tonight with this. it's what you do with what you've got. question, would president obama be better off if he'd had won last week's debate, but then had a jobless rate spike up to 8.5%? or is he better off for having lost last week's first debate, and having seen the unemployment rate drop down to 7.8%? a political pro will say, go with what you've got. you got a bad break on the debate, but a great break on the jobless rate. sell it! let the other side t
let joe be joe, i say. bring it on. talk about grandpa finnegan, the works. talk about scranton 30 times, it doesn't bother me. anyway, thank you, cynthia turk and eugene robinson. >>> when we return, let me finish whether president obama is better with a good debate performance or a good unemployment number, which he actually got. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans?...
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went on offense against paul ryan. >> joe was definitely joe. >> it's about time they take some responsibility here. >> i'm not into man fights. >> mr. ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the first place. >> the vice president defends the status quo. >> that's a bunch of ma larky. the. >> paul ryan care about each and every american. >> stop caring about how you care about people. show me something. >> the table is now reset. >> with the v.p. debate now over. >> who gets to hit the panic button next? >> with 25 days until the presidential election, the obama re-election campaign is seizing on this statement by paul ryan in last night's debate. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried? >> we don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that peop
went on offense against paul ryan. >> joe was definitely joe. >> it's about time they take some responsibility here. >> i'm not into man fights. >> mr. ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the...